Bike insurance increases.

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  • 03 Apr 2019 1:25 PM
    Message # 7258917

    I would like to know what CVMG members across Canada are paying for vintage motorcycle insurance. Reason being I just received my insurance notice for next year (I am in Ontario). I have two vintage Nortons on it , plus a 2008 Suzuki V-strom. I made no changes on my end from last year, but Dalton Timmis took away two of my discounts and pushed my premium up $500.00 from $1300.00 to $1800.00 a year!! We have “no fault insurance in Ontario and I blame it for the runaway motorcycle insurance costs in Ontario. Our Ontario government has told us for the last ten years that they are making insurance companies cut rates , but the insurance companies seem to be cutting their coverage payouts and raising their rates at the same time!! Maybe we are going to have to start blocking major highways to get the government’s attention, like some other groups are doing. Lets hear what people in other provinces are paying. Thanks for letting me rant!

    Ross Thompson.


  • 03 Apr 2019 3:38 PM
    Reply # 7259085 on 7258917

    Ross...... I have three Honda cb750’s that were insured on an old State Farm policy. 1971, 73, and 74. Just became Certas. Incredible reasonable ($196- and two at $287 each). I never had to supply and appraisal, so probably under insured. From memory, under $4000 didn’t need one..... they now don’t do anything newer than ‘69, so my 1977 Benelli SEI is with Dejardin and about $700/ year. That bike is appraised at a silly number, so reasonable? 

    Here’s the kicker: my wife and I have two, 9 year old Kawasaki KLR650s. For nine years, insured with our autos. Suddenly the jerks “don’t do motorcycles”. Period. It was late Fall, so I just parked them and saved 6 months insurance. Now i’m getting ready to shop around and discovering some companies don’t do “dual sports”! What nonsense. I think I’ll sell them......

    John D, Bethany, Ontario. 


  • 03 Apr 2019 5:01 PM
    Reply # 7259214 on 7258917

    I am with Aviva through Dalton Timmis. They took away 2 of my discounts as well. I have 2 bikes insured with them. A 1970 Commando and a 2000 Buell Cyclone. Perfect record, no claims, 63 yrs old. The commando costs me $371 (appraised at $8000.00) but the Buell which is insured for it's purchase price of $4500.00 costs me $2100.00 because it's classified as a big bore sport bike. Guess they figure I can't control myself when I get on it.

    Norm - Cambridge Ontario

  • 04 Apr 2019 6:22 AM
    Reply # 7259897 on 7258917

    My premiums just went up 50% on a 1981 Electraglide with no traffic violations or accidents.

    I don't feel any pity for DT as it's a multi-million dollar profit generating enterprise.

    If we keep paying such absorbent rates for bikes that are only used on weekends for a couple of months a year, we are encouraging these greedy companies to carry on doing the same thing.

    If everybody parked their bike for a year and the insurance company profits were 100% of nothing,....that would open some eyes.

    Looks like Home For chrome is going to be my garage this year

    Mike

      


  • 04 Apr 2019 12:58 PM
    Reply # 7260405 on 7258917
    Ian (Administrator)

    I was with RBC for 9 years under Aviva (RBC underwriter ) the last few.Last years they raised my rates by 30% .When I asked why. no reason was given to me.

    I switched to Dalton with a different underwriter.

    I spoke with Kirk Norris ( State Farm ) from Peterborough today about my 31 Ariel. It seems they no longer take motorcycles but refer them to Dalton. Some of us are grandfathered in.

    They do agree vintage motorcycles owners are paying too much when compared to Classic cars.

    Some owners already have had their insurance go up by $500

    Time for change in Ontario.

    Time for the CVMG to get involved again

  • 04 Apr 2019 2:11 PM
    Reply # 7260513 on 7258917
    PJ

    Not sure if everyone has been checking their emails.  A survey was recently sent out inquiring about insurance to all the Ontario membership.  I have just compiled the report and submitted it for publication in the next CVMG News. 99.3% indicated that action was needed.  Already 61 members have offered to work on a committee to address these concerns.  I don’t have time to go over all of the report now but simply to tell you that 97% would switch if better rates could be established.  We’re just getting out of the starter’s gate and probably are too late to address the rates this year. I think we have some very sound arguments for better rates including the fact that 96.39% have not filed a claim in the last 10 years.  Couple that with the fact that the average owner drives their vintage bike less than 2000 kilometers, you can see that we are being taken advantage of.  The overall results are quite staggering and I think we have a very sound business case.  &2% said they would switch all of their policies – home and auto, if the insurance company would provide better rates. With this kind of data, we only need to convince one insurance company that they stand to gain a lot of business and still make money.

    I would ask that anyone who is interested to come on board and work on the committee.  It will take a lot of work and a variety of skill sets to take on these big corporations.  It isn’t the brokers that make the policies just like the car dealers don’t build their cars.  With a united voice we should be able to effect positive change.

  • 05 Apr 2019 7:27 AM
    Reply # 7261432 on 7258917

    Thanks for all the input from the group. I have approached other insurance companies for a quote on insurance and have been basically told I would have to bundle my insurance (autos and house,) with the bikes to get a better rate. I have done this with three different insurance companies and will report back here my findings. As for the CVMG's insurance survey, some how I missed it when it first come out and by the time I found it and checked it out it was shut down. Thanks again for the interest shown on this important subject! 


    Ross Thompson

  • 05 Apr 2019 8:26 AM
    Reply # 7261457 on 7258917

    Wish Hearty would insure bikes up here. My Sunbeam Alpine is $180 with roadside assistance from Hearty and a magazine every month. 66 Triumph Trophy $390 With D T.

  • 05 Apr 2019 8:27 AM
    Reply # 7261458 on 7258917

    Dam spell check. Thats H A G E R T Y.

  • 05 Apr 2019 9:12 AM
    Reply # 7261510 on 7261457
    Tony wrote:

    Wish Hearty would insure bikes up here. My Sunbeam Alpine is $180 with roadside assistance from Hearty and a magazine every month. 66 Triumph Trophy $390 With D T.


    Actually - Hagerty does sell insurance cover in Canada.  Just not directly - they sell via Allstate. My initial discussion with them indicates they would not be a saving in Ontario (same rip off as everyone else) , but I do plan to get a quote.
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