1967 Honda CL Scrambler with a CB engine??

  • 29 Jan 2019 6:20 PM
    Message # 7136005

    I have an opportunity to pick up a 1967 CL77 Scrambler. The frame serial number prefix is CL77 however the engine serial number prefix is CB77E. The photos I have show the starter motor block off plate and the kick starter appears to correct and function counter clockwise. Did Honda put CB engines in the CL frame?

    If Honda didn't fit CB engines to the CL frame then it appears that what I'm looking at is a bit of a mongrel and would affect it's value considerably which in turn will be reflected in the purchase price.

    I would appreciate some feedback on this

  • 29 Jan 2019 9:02 PM
    Reply # 7136331 on 7136005

    I'm not an expert, but I do own a  1968 CL450 and can share that my engine serial number starts with CL-E.  A CB engine of that vintage should be a 450, not a the 305 of the C77.  You may have a bit of a mongrel, but it will be a fast mongrel!

    I have no idea of the value that is gained or lost with this "upgrade".

  • 29 Jan 2019 9:07 PM
    Reply # 7136336 on 7136005

    Speaking of not being an expert.  I just looked up CB77, and low and behold, there was one...my bad... disregard my last message.  It will be a 305.


  • 31 Jan 2019 10:45 AM
    Reply # 7139155 on 7136005

    Dave  My Honda Identification Guide clearly shows that the CL77 numbers should match on both frame and engine with the engine being CL77E-100001-? between 1965 to 1968. The CB77 is from a Super Hawk.  Richard

  • 01 Feb 2019 6:11 PM
    Reply # 7141918 on 7137677
    A. wrote:
    Dave wrote:

    I have an opportunity to pick up a 1967 CL77 Scrambler. The frame serial number prefix is CL77 however the engine serial number prefix is CB77E. The photos I have show the starter motor block off plate and the kick starter appears to correct and function counter clockwise. Did Honda put CB engines in the CL frame?

    If Honda didn't fit CB engines to the CL frame then it appears that what I'm looking at is a bit of a mongrel and would affect it's value considerably which in turn will be reflected in the purchase price.

    I would appreciate some feedback on this

    My long-gone ‘64 CL72 did not have electric start. If the engine you have a picture of has a blanking plate over the location of the electric starter it is then what the serial # indicates - it is a CB engine adapted to a CL bike - and not by Honda.


    Agreed
  • 01 Feb 2019 6:11 PM
    Reply # 7141919 on 7139155
    Richard wrote:

    Dave  My Honda Identification Guide clearly shows that the CL77 numbers should match on both frame and engine with the engine being CL77E-100001-? between 1965 to 1968. The CB77 is from a Super Hawk.  Richard

    Agreed
  • 12 Feb 2019 10:07 AM
    Reply # 7159814 on 7136005
    Tim
    Dave wrote:

    I have an opportunity to pick up a 1967 CL77 Scrambler. The frame serial number prefix is CL77 however the engine serial number prefix is CB77E. The photos I have show the starter motor block off plate and the kick starter appears to correct and function counter clockwise. Did Honda put CB engines in the CL frame?

    If Honda didn't fit CB engines to the CL frame then it appears that what I'm looking at is a bit of a mongrel and would affect it's value considerably which in turn will be reflected in the purchase price.

    I would appreciate some feedback on this


    I have been rehabilitating CB77s for a number of years. What you have is indeed a mongrel and as a result it should have a lower collector's value. However, there is precious little difference between the CL72/77 engines and the CB72/77 engines. Specifically, the CBs have an electric starter and the CLs do not. Instead of the starter the CLs have a plate over the hole through which the starter chain passes.

    So, your bike is a perfectly usable mongrel. If you can get it for a better price because of the engine replacement, good for you.

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